what a nightmare - do you realize the kind of programming you are asking
for?

do you realize the cost of the programming you are asking for?

websites are the way they are because people run out of money to change
them. and they don't listen to the developer - they just want what they
want and they DON'T CARE what the most efficient way of designing the
site in terms of graphics or functionality.

the clients that I work for RARELY think of anyone but themselves when
they are in the development process.

when I design a site - I design it to the person in the middle of
nowhere on a Mac using Netscape 3.0 with 15 inch screen set at 640 x 480
on a dial up connection that is 14.4 -  this is the worst case scenario.
put in a text version for the blind (thank you for teaching me this) and
that is all you can do.

there are limitations to communicate to the infinite. the technology is
impressive but limited. this is not star trek. this is reality.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Rosenstein [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: website discussion


   Date:         Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:05:52 EDT
   From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>

   In a message dated 10/27/99 7:39:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
   [log in to unmask] writes:

   > The other way I can think of is to put everything in the default
   >     font and make a note for people to change their browser
defaults to
   >     whatever size they want.  This might be a little more
complicated for
   >     the user but involves less effort on your part.
   >
   >  Mark gets on his soapbox.  I think this is the wrong way to think
   >  about it. It actually takes a good bit more care and testing on
the
   >  designer's part to make sure that their pages look good at
different
   >  screen sizes, different screen resolutions, and with the visitor
   >  having significant control over the way the page looks. [Or maybe
even
   >  having the page run through a text to speech program!] I also
think
   >  that informing the user that they can control the size of their
fonts
   >  is liberating.

   I'm confused here.  You start out by saying that designing a web
   page in the default font is the wrong way to think about things but
   then say that being able to change the font size is liberating.
Liberating for the user, not the designer.

Of course the folks at W3C have thought about these issues as well,
and assuming the browser manufacturers comply with the Cascading
Style Sheets (CSS) level 2, the user will in fact have the last say.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS-access

[For those not likely to run off to this URL, Style Sheets are used
to describe the appearance of elements on a web page. This W3C note
describes a method for users to override the author's style sheet.
This basically allows the user to say, specify a larger font size,
if that will aid them. - Of course we'll have to see if this actually
gets implemented].

Hopefully, there will arise web sites with various style sheets to
meet many folks needs.

Mark.

=========================================================
Important Subscriber Information:

The Museum-L FAQ file is located at
http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ museum-l.html. You may obtain
detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line
e-mail message to [log in to unmask] The body of the message
should read "help" (without the quotes).

If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message
to
[log in to unmask] The body of the message should read
"Signoff
Museum-L" (without the quotes).

=========================================================
Important Subscriber Information:

The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ museum-l.html. You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes).

If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to
[log in to unmask] The body of the message should read "Signoff
Museum-L" (without the quotes).