Jerry,
Yes, many times. Fabulous sustenance when combined with a few veggies and
crackers. Chicken or oriental flavors are my preference.
Every museum collection of foodstuffs should have some. Its shelf life is
rather long, and when deaccessioned it can be consumed.
Mark Janzen
Registrar/Collections Manager
Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art
Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection
Wichita State University
(316)978-5850
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Not to change the subject, but has anybody here ever eaten Ramen Noodles?
(Now that was a loooong thread!)
ldewey wrote:
> Your argument twists back on itself, but you may know that.
>
> The related activities of collections and interpretation are de facto
> political issues. Museums and archives collect material deemed of value
> by the people who run those organizations. That decision-making
> process, that assignment of (ideological) value, is fundamentally
> political as it reflects, promotes, reinforces, or analyses social
> policy (e.g. "politics").
>
> You admit as much in your closing paragraph, although you obviously
> consider only your value set to be valid criteria.
>
> As for your value set, it is obviously chauvinist. Your government is
> right, all others are wrong. Several dozen international news
> organizations are wrong, your government is correct. Doubting your
> government is harmful (to the war you support). Your government's
> soldiers are valiant, the opposing combatants 'don't have much respect
> for people.' etc.
>
> You may recognize your arguments to be tenuous. That would explain why
> you want to silence any opposing arguments.
>
> -LD
>
> (sorry for the repost, I want to append the correct thread.)
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:10 AM, Automatic digest processor
> wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:09:07 -0500
>> From: Tracie Evans <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Iraq donation
>>
>> First let me apologize to those who don't want to continue this
>> discussion,
>> I understand completely and probably should just ignore this but I'm
>> having
>> a hard time.
>>
>> Nick-
>> You do realize that you have sited all second hand sources for you
>> "body
>> count" numbers. In addition, they are all on-line news services. The
>> last
>> time I checked when I got my history degree, those are not reliable
>> sources
>> and should always be used with caution, especially when reporting on
>> current
>> events such as this. In addition, you note that they only use
>> "English
>> Language" sites which in itself is suspicious and biased. In addition
>> you
>> say "The project relies on the professional rigour of the approved
>> reporting
>> agencies. It is assumed that any agency that has attained a respected
>> international status operates its own rigorous checks before publishing
>> items" but that is an assumption not a fact. You don't know even if
>> they do
>> have "rigorous checks." Who is going to sue them or protest if the
>> numbers
>> are to high? The US government, the Iraqi government? Remember that
>> the
>> US military and the US Government will not and need not tell the press
>> and
>> the American public everything to protect the operations that they are
>> working on. And I for one support that, I don't want people killed
>> because
>> I think I need to know. I'm not saying that the body count is not
>> right,
>> maybe it is, but what I am objecting to your assertion that these Iraqi
>> deaths are all civilians and all at the hands of heartless American
>> killers.
>> You may want to remember that the whole battlefield right now is a
>> civilian
>> area and as such (just as in WW2) innocent people die. Also, Iraqi
>> guerrillas don't have that much respect for their people since they
>> start
>> firefights in populated areas, too.
>>
>> If you look at pass war experiences, war reporting is not an unbiased
>> activity and should not be viewed as being such. As for high suicide
>> rates
>> and low morale, have you seen any actual pictures of the conditions
>> soldiers
>> are living in over there? I have and its not very nice. It would be
>> interesting to study past wars and police actions and see if these
>> suicide
>> and low morale numbers coincide in those incidents also. And just
>> because
>> people have low morale does not mean they don't support the war, that
>> is a
>> very large jump. If more soldiers truly did not support the war then
>> they
>> would ask to be granted "conscientious objector status" but there are
>> not
>> that many coming to light.
>>
>> Also, we must rely on our laws to regulate the illegal importation of
>> artifacts into this country, what other choice do we have. As museum
>> professionals, we need to understand what makes something illegal and
>> refuse
>> those items that fall under that guise. Just because people try and
>> sometimes succeed in breaking a law does not mean the law should just
>> be
>> thrown out and ignored. In addition, do you think going and leaving
>> Iraq is
>> like living in the US, these men are check coming and going. Sure
>> something
>> will probably get through, but the high number of discovered attempts
>> illustrates that they are succeeding to some degree.
>>
>> By the way, all people are potential killers (natural law) some like
>> soldiers and hunters only learn how to do it more effectively and on
>> demand,
>> that however does not mean that all soldiers are in Iraq killing
>> indiscriminately as you suggest. You need to be very careful of your
>> gross
>> generalizations. We need to look at individual peoples stories both
>> that of
>> the soldiers and the civilians effected on both sides. Museums are not
>> intended to pick a side of an issue and support it, they are intended
>> to
>> enlighten the public with information and let them make informed
>> decisions
>> about the event(s).
>>
>> Whether or not any institution does or does not collect war related
>> materials must be decided by each institution and should be viewed in
>> light
>> of their mission, their audience and the laws that govern collecting in
>> their area and for their institution. I don't want to make this a
>> personal
>> policy about whether I feel the war is right or wrong, rather it
>> should be
>> about how I will deal with the fact that US Soldier are going,
>> fighting and
>> dying in Iraq and the items they may potentially bring back and want to
>> donate to my institution.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Tracie Evans
>
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