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Robert Handy
Brazoria County Historical Museum
museum_bob
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From:   JHANDLEY[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Thursday, April 16, 1998 3:35 PM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Re: JOB OPPORTUNITY: Museum Director, Golden State Museum

     I have for a very long time dabated these very issues of salary and
     professionalism on this list. Simply put, I am tired of being flamed.
     Most people seem quite satisified to be employed. The majority (in my
     opinion) will not approach the idea that their services could possibly
     be worth more pay than they currently receive--and so, they never will
     be.

     As I have said in the past, the greatest resource to a museum is the
     staff, not programs, not collections.  If people do not see their
     services as worth a decent salary, then salaries will never be better
     than they are.  Such things cannot change over night, but they can
     change in a positive way if as professionals we place pressure on AAM
     and individual institutions to examine these issues.

     John Handley
     San Francisco


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Subject: Re: JOB OPPORTUNITY: Museum Director, Golden State Museum
Author:  [log in to unmask] (HervU Gagnon) at INTERNET
Date:    4/16/98 1:05 PM


I couldn't agree more with Arlyn.  How can a professional establish any long-
and medium-term employment strategy if salaries are never disclosed before
application?  But I notice that there are only 4 or 5 of us who are actually
participating to this debate.  I'd be interested to know what others think
about this.

HervU Gagnon

Arlyn Danielson a Ucrit:

> Perhaps you are comparing apples and kiwis.  Museums are obviously in a far
> different bracket money wise than IBM etc..  To answer your question, I
> have seen more than my fair share of game playing with salaries and ranges.
>  All I would like to see is reasonable salary information being offered up
> front in order for a museum professional to make an informed decision on
> what he/she should do, or strategy to take.   This is not unreasonable, but
> I appreciate your feedback.
>
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> From:   Ross Weeks[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:   Thursday, April 16, 1998 10:18 AM
> To:     [log in to unmask]
> Subject:        Re: JOB OPPORTUNITY: Museum Director, Golden State Museum
>
> For what it's worth, have you ever seen IBM "advertise" for a CEO or VP at
> a
> salary range (negotiable based on KSAs) of between $1,250,000 and
> $18,000,000 excluding options, bonuses and perquisities?
>
> Have you ever seen the White House advertise for ANY of its employees?
>
> Have you ever seen advertisements that specify a salary range for a
> particular job (as required by policy, state regs, whatever) only to find
> that the state, the museum, or someone has dictated that only the entry
> salary can actually be offered?
>
> Do you know of people who have accepted positions not just for the
> compensation, but because of the quality of the museum, its location, its
> potential, etc.?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arlyn Danielson <[log in to unmask]>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.museum-l
>
> >I for one have never enjoyed digging around for salary information that is
> >not posted or included in an ad.  Usually I find out what I am looking
> for,
> >but in some instances, it's like pulling teeth.  I don't like to waste
> >anyone's time- mostly mine, if a position is not a good match.  Someone
> >mentioned previously that if a museum doesn't mention a salary, or at
> least
> >a range, it almost seems like they have something to hide, or they are
> >ashamed of what they offer.  In this case, shame is good! -- As hard
> >working museum professionals, many of us wish for and deserve higher
> >salaries.