Shannon Lindridge schrieb:

>Wow, you have quite a challenge! A few questions:
>
>1. How did the flags get into the storage area in the first place?
>  
>
 >> probably rolled or folded and certainly in better condition some 
40-50 years ago ... The bad condiotion may also be caused by a fairly 
bad support (acidic wooden material) and the air pollution.

>2. Could a window be removed and the flags removed from the second story?
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>
 >> No, this is not possible due to the small size of the window and the 
fact that there are electric tramway installations just outside the 
window that makes it impossible to use a mobile crane on this side of 
the building

>3. Or, a wall (I know it is a historic building) removed?
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>
 >> perhaps parts of  the roof may be removed during the renovation

>4. What are the current plans for the building you are moving from?  Will
>there be renovations done to the building which would lend an opportunity to
>move the flags during renovations?
>  
>
 >> see above

>I know altering a building to remove a collection is a server option, but it
>sounds as though these flags cannot with stand any other methods. Of course,
>all changes to a historic structure would have to be reconstructed as though
>a removal of a window or wall never happened.
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>
 >> Even if we find a solution to move the flags by opening the roof 
(which in theis case seems reasonable and feasable) there is still the 
chalange to find a way to move the flags horizontally without loosing 
fragments during the operation (e.g. by wind).

Joachim

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>Behalf Of Joachim Huber, Prevart GmbH
>Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:51 AM
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>Subject: Mooving extremely fragile historic flags and banners - more
>detailed information concerning the problems
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>Hello again,
>
>I'll try to explain the problems with our fragile flags a little bit
>more in detail. We did discuss the problem with textile conservators -
>but we couldn't find (till now) a reasonable or even feasable solution.
>
>in detail some of the problems are:
>problem #1 the storage is in a historic building with no elevator and a
>very (very) narrow staircase where even two persons can hardly cross ...
>The objects have to be moved from the second floor to the ground floor.
>problem #2 some flags are as big 2.5 x 2.5 metre - I couldn't think of a
>mobile sucction table
>problem #3 some flags are painted and/or guilded an therefore very
>fargile and not really flat
>problem #4 most of the flags are missing the poles but the end where
>they were attached to the pole are stiff and three dimensional these
>part would break under any pressure
>problem #5 most flags are very dirty which seems to have caused much of
>the damage in the passed decades (soot of the nearby street)
>problem #6 some flags were sewn in a net and now falling appart in
>single pieces which are in some cases as small as stamps ... some flags
>consist of dozens of fragments
>problem #7 we have 800 flags of which 10% are in some way in the above
>described condition...
>problem #8 the move must be solved within the next 15 months because of
>future building campaigns
>last but not least problem #9: these flags are just a very small portion
>of a move of more than 400'000 objects to knew premises ...
>problem #11 imagine any other problem (including funding) as you like it
>- we probably will have it
>
>have a nice week end
>Joachim
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