AHHHHH shucks,

I thought arguments regarding the Earth being slightly over 6000  
years old had been settled.

This is about POWER not knowledge.


On May 31, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Rebecca M. Trussell wrote:

> Robyne,
> Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't automatically think of the
> presentation in historical terms. Perhaps the National Museum of  
> American
> History would provide the appropriate venue, in that case, not the  
> National
> Museum of Natural History which unequivocally recognizes the  the
> scientific method for the proving of theories.
>
> Rebecca Trussell
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Robyne Miles <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 5/31/2005 4:57:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: ID Movie at Smithsonian
>>
>> Sadly, I would say that there is one part of S.I.'s mission that  
>> actually
>> fits this circumstance:
>>
>> "authoritative experiences that connect us to our history and our  
>> heritage
>> as Americans"
>>
>> No doubt these people are authorities on I.D., and as frightening  
>> as it
>>
> is,
>
>> this is indeed part of both our history and our heritage as  
>> Americans.
>>
> Ugh.
>
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: This comment does not in any way support the idea of  
>> holding
>> this event there.  As many have stated, I think without an actual  
>> forum to
>> debate varying ideas, having the film there is quite simply crap (I'm
>> feeling eloquent).
>>
>> On 5/31/05 11:44 AM, "Rebecca M. Trussell"  
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Considering the Smithsonian's mission statement, as refined by  
>>> Secretary
>>> Small, the Smithsonian does not seem to serve itself in any way  
>>> other
>>>
> than
>
>>> financially by housing a program on ID unless it results from  
>>> bona fide
>>> scientific research, peer-reviewed and published in a recognized
>>>
> scientific
>
>>> journal. Founder Smithson's broad-brush mission statement might be
>>> interpreted to allow such a program, but the same interpretation  
>>> could
>>>
> also
>
>>> support programs exploring the existence of an Aryan race and  
>>> asserting
>>>
> UFO
>
>>> existence based on eye-witness testimony.
>>>
>>> Perusing the Discovery Institute's website gives one the distinct
>>> impression that hocus-pocus can easily masquerade as science with  
>>> the
>>>
> help
>
>>> of a slick website.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.si.edu/about/mission.htm
>>> "I then bequeath the whole of my property...to the United States of
>>> America, to found at Washington, under the name of the Smithsonian
>>> Institution, an Establishment for the increase & diffusion of
>>>
> knowledge..."
>
>>> James Smithson (1765-1829)
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Smithsonian is committed to enlarging our shared  
>>> understanding of
>>>
> the
>
>>> mosaic that is our national identity by providing authoritative
>>>
> experiences
>
>>> that connect us to our history and our heritage as Americans and to
>>> promoting innovation, research and discovery in science. These
>>>
> commitments
>
>>> have been central to the Smithsonian since its founding more than  
>>> 155
>>>
> years
>
>>> ago."
>>> Lawrence M. Small, Secretary of the Smithsonian
>>>
>>> http://www.discovery.org/
>>> Intelligent design is "simply the argument that certain features  
>>> of the
>>> natural world?from miniature machines and digital information  
>>> found in
>>> living cells, to the fine-tuning of physical constants?are best
>>>
> explained
>
>>> as the result of an intelligent cause." Jay W. Richards
>>>
>>> Rebecca Trussell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: Jay Heuman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: 5/31/2005 1:47:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: ID Movie at Smithsonian
>>>>
>>>>     I think we all must keep in mind, the Discovery Institute  
>>>> gave a
>>>> contribution of $16,000 to the Smithsonian and, just like any other
>>>>
> donor,
>
>>>> they have been granted permission to use the auditorium to  
>>>> screen their
>>>> movie.
>>>>     Whether one is sympathetic with the contents of the movie, the
>>>>
> system
>
>>>> has this 'loophole.'  The Discovery Institute is not abusing or
>>>>
> misusing
>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> system.
>>>>     However, perhaps the system should be changed once we ask
>>>>
> ourselves:
>
>>> Who
>>>
>>>> should decide what can be shown in the Smithsonian's facilities
>>>>
> following
>
>>>> such a donation?  Do we want Holocaust deniers giving money to the
>>>> Smithsonian for the right to show revisionist propaganda?  Do we  
>>>> want
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> KKK donating money so as to conduct a 'White Power' lecture  
>>>> series?  I
>>>>
> can
>
>>>> come up with dozens of other scarier thoughts than an intelligent
>>>>
> design
>
>>>> movie.
>>>>
>>>>     [Note: I'm not a supporter of the Design Institute, their
>>>>     ideas, or their movie.  I am a supporter of consistency in
>>>>     museum policy.]
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes, sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Jay Heuman
>>>> Curator of Education
>>>> Salt Lake Art Center
>>>> 20 South West Temple
>>>> Salt Lake City, UT 84101
>>>>
>>>> tel: 801-328-4201 | fax: 801-322-4323
>>>> web: www.slartcenter.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/31/05 11:07 AM, "Mary Rogers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>> I have been hearing a lot lately about ID...mostly by way of  
>>>>> various
>>>>>
>>> groups
>>>
>>>>> (radio stations, etc.) making fun of ID believers.  Now we have
>>>>>
> listers
>
>>>>> calling the showing of this movie at the Smithsonian shameful and
>>>>>
>>> horrifying.
>>>
>>>>> Although some would call people who believe in ID narrow- 
>>>>> minded, I am
>>>>>
>>> feeling
>>>
>>>>> compelled to put that same label on those who are bashing those
>>>>>
>>> believers and
>>>
>>>>> also those who are so concerned about this situation.
>>>>> My comments and questions:
>>>>> It sounds to me like no one is going to be FORCED to watch this  
>>>>> movie
>>>>>
>>> at the
>>>
>>>>> museum.  Those who want to watch it may do so.
>>>>> Individuals may choose to believe in whatever they want, no  
>>>>> matter how
>>>>> ridiculous I think it sounds.
>>>>> Aren't museums the perfect place for this type of exchange to take
>>>>>
>>> place?  If
>>>
>>>>> not here, then where?  Do we think that because we don't like what
>>>>>
>>> these IDers
>>>
>>>>> are saying that we shouldn't let anyone else hear, either?   
>>>>> Isn't it
>>>>>
> our
>
>>>>> mission and job to present ideas?
>>>>> I tend to be somewhat skeptical, but I think that most big-money
>>>>>
> donors
>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>> museum have some type of agenda for which they intend to use the
>>>>>
> museum
>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>> further. Isn't this the way the world works?
>>>>> Thanks. Keep up the good work.
>>>>> Mary Rogers
>>>>>
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