Joshua,
Thanks for pointing that out. ID and the Discovery Institute do not seek to
merely undermine scientific understanding and supplant it with theology in
the realm of biology and evolution. They also seek to philosophically
revamp our understanding of physics and the cosmos to better fit their
Biblical interpretations. I will accept your judgement, without having seen
it, that the movie in question does not relate directly to Darwinian
biology. Anti-science is none the less still anti-science.
I agree with you entirely; open discussion is always a good thing. The
topic is evidently a hot one, judging by the activity on this listserve
alone. That should certainly be a big part of what we do in museums and
educational institutions of all types. The point however is not that ID
should not be considered or discussed, but that it should not be considered
scientific. The gap between the two can not be crossed effectively with any
degree of dialogue, unless you choose to use intentionally evasive and
convoluted language in that discussion. ID and science are incompatible.
Discussing ID in relation to science of any sort is not going to be
valuable or progressive as an exhibition theme. We do not have to
negatively engage the segment of society that has been drawn into this
concept. We should not engage the discussion at all. That is the core of
the controversy at the Smithsonian. It is not about fighting ID, which
would be both fruitless and wasteful. Nor is it about finding some sort of
mutually agreeable middle ground. It is about making sure that people
understand the distinction between science and faith, as well as the
difference between what the DI says and what it means.
Under no circumstances should science or our professional standards be
brought down to the level of ID, just because we fear some segment of the
population can not grasp it, or worse refuses to understand/accept it based
on their faith. That kind of concession undermines both our educational
integrity and the validity of the information being presented. Our efforts
should be in seeing to it that our visitors are provided with accurate and
informative experiences, not gratifying their philosophical leanings. If
home schooled children are not able or willing to grasp the science that
runs the world around them, then we have little choice but to accept that
they did not learn what we hoped from our material and move on. That should
not be the impetus for our educational departments to try and find a way to
support their point of view by trying to mix faith and science. It should
however be disappointing enough for us to seek some way to fix that flaw in
our educational system.
Mark Janzen
Registrar/Collections Manager
Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art
Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection
Wichita State University
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Mr. Stoke,
Thank you for your considerate opinion and clearing the air. It is exactly
true that this movie does not deal with Darwinian Biology at all. It is a
concentrated discussion on areas of cosomology and astronomy. Too many on
this list have reacted too quickly by jumping to conclusions without really
investigating what the movie is about, but again is this not normal human
behavior?
Too many are quick to slap a label of "fundamentalism", "conservatism",
"irrationalism", etc. rather than realizing that the ID movement is a
fledgling movement whose primary interest at this stage is to do exactly as
you say "open the door" for other lines of inquiry. Its own explanatory
power is still pretty small, but that is why it is fledgling. For a good
and balanced rhetorical analysis of the ID movement and its history I would
recommend the book by Thomas Woodard entitled, "Doubts About Darwin." If
anything else it provides an account of the evolution of this movement.
Everyone wins when there is continued engagement of open and serious minded
intellectual explorations. Frankly, I think, the easy classification
afforded by the culture wars, keeps the discussions about "what does all
this data mean," from taking place. Each side continues to improve its
logic and grasp of the evidence, and society as a whole advances its
understanding when civic engagement is encouraged. Label, shut-down, create
exclusionary policies and everyone looses.
Museums are places of dialogue. If anyone disagrees they better talk to the
AAM because that seems to be the direction of the profession. Dialogue is a
TWO way conversation between the museum and its resources and the museum's
community. Both can learn, both can grow from the interaction. How does the
profession plan to work with homeschoolers who are coming to museums in
increasing numbers and whose worldview is vastly different than the
profession as a whole? Can we continue to talk down, talk at, and generally
negatively engage this segment of the community? What about other segments
of the population? If that is the rules of communication modeled in the
instance of origins, are we doing this in other subject areas, with other
population groups? Are we ultimately defeating our own purpose of spreading
knowledge? People build understanding upon what they already know. A good
educator is able to start from where their audience is, bridging the gap
between the visitor's knowledge base and the new concept. The gap is
crossed through dialogue.
You can not expect to reach a visitor without building relationships to a
particular community. Treating groups of people as ignorant, irrational,
simpletons (as true as it may seem to you) that do not understand the
sophisticated heights of science, does not help the building of the
relationships necessary to impact society in the ways museum professionals
desire. We need to understand our roles differently, we need to understand
that the root of the problem lies in the very basic worldview assumptions
that frame our day to day organizational operations.
In closing, I would like to put forth two quotes from the AAM publication
"Mastering Civic Engagement," that really capture what I just stated:
“In these new relationships we will regard ourselves as reservoirs of
information and expertise and will relinquish our traditional authoritarian
roles in favor of new responsibilities as both resources and facilitators
of dialogue about those things that matter most to people” [emphasis
added].
n“Obstacles to change are often internal to our institutions. . . Sometimes
these best practices are so embedded in the axioms of our work that it is
nearly impossible to recognize them as obstacles” [emphasis added].
Food for though, Josh
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Dear Colleagues,
My institution, which is the science and operations center
for the Hubble Space Telescope, appropriately requires that
the communication of personal opinion be identified as such,
and as not representative of views held or endorsed by the
institution or its governors or sponsors. I hereby so
declare, and suspect that this message will testify to the
wisdom of that regulation!
A good number of months ago while in a bookstore I spotted a
book in the astronomy section entitled "The Privileged
Planet." (This is the book upon which the movie under
discussion is based.) One of the first things I do
when a book intrigues me is to see whether its dust jacket
contains an endorsement from anyone I know. I found these
two:
"This thoughtful, delightfully contrarian book will rile up
those who believe the 'Copernican principle' is an essential
philosophical component of modern science. Is our universe
designedly congenial to intelligent, observable life?
Passionate advocates for the search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence (SETI) will find much to ponder in this
carefully documented analysis." - Owen Gingrich, Harvard-
Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
and
"Impressively researched and lucidly written, The Privileged
Planet will surely rattle if not dislodge a pet assumption
held by many interpreters of modern science: the so-called
Copernican Principle (which isn't actually very
Copernican!). But Gonzalez and Richards' argument, though
controversial, is so carefully and moderately presented that
any reasonable critique of it must itself ad dress the
astonishing evidence which has for so long somehow escaped
our notice. I therefore expect this book to renew - and
to raise to a new level - the whole scientific and
philosophical debate about earth's cosmic significance. It
is a high class piece of work that deserves the widest
possible audience" - Dennis Danielson, Professor of English,
University of British Columbia.
Owen Gingrich is a respected historian of astronomy (and
please note his affiliation with a scholarly component of
the Smithsonian Institution) and has given invited talks to
our science staff as part of our academic colloquia series.
Dennis Danielson is the editor of an acclaimed anthology of
cosmological writings entitled "The Book of the Cosmos." He
was an invited lunchtime speaker at an American Astronomical
Society a few years ago, and subsequently was an invited
colloquium speaker here for a talk entitled "The Great
Copernican Cliché," a presentation that generated a more
spirited discussion afterwards than most that I have
experienced here.
When (still in the bookstore) I flipped through the book I
found hundreds of citations from the scientific literature,
respected journals such as the Astronomical Journal, the
Astrophysical Journal, and so on.
Since this promised to be the kind of science-related book
that I enjoy the most, one that endeavors to synthesize data
and advance an interesting point of view supported by that
data (in this instance, the point of view that there really
is something special about the earth), and since one of the
co-authors is a bona-fide university research astronomer (I
didn't know much about the Discovery Institute and its co-
author), I bought it and read it.
I read a lot of astronomy books and I found this one to be
more thought-provoking than many. The attributions by
Gingrich and Danielson were, on the whole, accurate; the
book is written in a humble tone and gives the reader a lot
to ponder. It's a rather gentle presentation of ideas and I
found the modesty and near-tentativeness of the authors'
tone ingratiating. I didn't detect anything that struck me
as particularly sinister or anti-science (there were no
appeals to the Bible, no appeals to god-of-the-gaps
miracles), although the book does promote a view that is
certainly not in line with fashionable philosophical
worldviews within academia. I did not find the arguments
overwhelmingly convincing -- it's more of a door-opener to
some new ideas -- but they certainly did cause me to
consider the difference between well-entrenched assumptions
in cosmology and conclusions supported by data. There were
literally dozens of moments in which I found myself
reacting "Hmm. hadn't thought of that before." (Example:
Could the fact that spiral galaxies have observed rad ial
metalicity gradients across their disks mean that there are
galactic 'habitable zones' (places where the proportion of
heavier elements enables the development of life) akin to
the 'habitable zones' thought to exist around stars (places
where the temperature and thermal stability are conducive to
life)? Interesting idea.)
The book does not deal (at least not to my recollection)
with the biological "Intelligent Design" dispute, but is
more an advancement of a point of view with respect to
the 'anthropic principle' in cosmology, and it could be
considered an extension and expansion of arguments put forth
by Ward and Brownlee in their book "Rare Earth." Perhaps one
could think of the book's subject as being a 'cousin' to ID
in that, like ID, it argues for the notion that intention or
purpose could be inferred from characteristics of nature.
Overall I'd say that the book deals with the kind of
questions that resonate greatly with the public: "OK, you've
collected lots of data, now tell me: What does it all mean?"
Perhaps it could be said to straddle the line between
physics and metaphysics. I enjoy books like that, even if I
don't necessarily settle into agreement with an author's
position. I would like to think that science museums could
be venues for interesting discussions about 'what the data
mean, or might mean.' So long as a discussion is clearly
identified as such, and properly distinguished from the data
itself, it could provide an invigorating reminder of one of
the reasons science is done.
I have not seen the video, and don't have any plans to, but
I do have a hard time imagining how the elaborated arguments
in the book could be reduced to that format. The book's
force depends on the gradual accumulation of a lot of
individually small ideas and observations and I don't see a
short video doing that nearly as well . (But of course I
could be wrong, having not seen it.)
Sincerely,
John Stoke
John M. Stoke
Manager, Informal Science Education
E/PO Lead, The James Webb Space Telescope
Office of Public Outreach
Space Telescope Science Institute
3700 San Martin Drive
Baltimore MD 21218
USA
Tel +1 410 338 4394
Fax +1 410 338 4579
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