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Candace Perry <[log in to unmask]>
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I'm not angry that the kids organized and got their skate park, that's fine.
It's having to take their insolence that isn't fine.  We ask them nicely not
skate on our property.  We cite their safety as an issue (it is).  We also
want our property to be safe and clean.  I would agree that they are good
kids -- they don't appear to be doing anything except for skating (except
for the time someone threw marshmallows at our building... :))  I'm
bemoaning how unpleasant they have to be, and yes, I will try and solve part
of that problem by teaching my kids and any other kids I can get my hands on
better manners. We are located in a small rural town without the facilities
of larger areas, and understandably, middle schoolers (in particular) are
bored.  We are looking into programs at our museum that can help that
problem.  *I* even suggested having a program for the skateboarders in our
parking lot, but we can't assume the responsibility (the old if you can't
beat 'em, join 'em thing).  I hope the skate park solves the problem, and I
do wish there was an older skating mentor to teach them what they need to
know.
Candace Perry

-----Original Message-----
From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:48 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Professional innocence & skateboarders on the museum
property


The vehemence demonstrated on this list toward
boarders disturbs me.  We should all be wise
enough to not be stereotypically label these kids as
spoiled rotten delinquent bastards.  Most are good
kids, young men and women.  If they had older remodels
that skate themselves, perhaps they
would learn to not be so destructive.   My friend owns
a local skate shop down the street and
adores talking to the kids that come in and setting
them up with good skating practices, showing
videos, playing music etc, and our community recently
built a skate park, absolutely thrilling the
kids. Skating is a passion and an art form to many
people out there, it is not just recreation. Not
to mention a subculture that has left a indelible mark
on our graphic design and underground
culture.  We need to learn to live peacefully with it.
 Saying no skateboards is not the solution.
The most destructive and belligerent boarders tend to
be the most visible ones and do not
represent all skaters.

It is a dilemma to be solved due to the destruction of
property, but bad mouthing the kids is not
the answer.  I am surprised so many are disturbed by
kids voicing what they want.  Extortion
indeed, where do you think they learned it from?
Amy
--- Audra Oliver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> They will wax your steps creating a hazzard and a
> mess, they endanger pedestrians and discourage
> visitors, they are lippy and the skate board park
> will not satisfy them for long.
> You can reason & threaten. You can call the police.
> If your mayor opposes containing these liabilities
> on wheels it takes the area community, your board,
> other businesses and the like getting in his face to
> be able to do anything effective.  As an employee,
> you can get on the skaters only to the extent you
> are supported by your governing body.
> As I reminisce about skate boarders I remember how
> keenly tuned my hearing was to the "whir-chock;
> whir-chock" of their wheels. I could move pretty
> darned fast in response although  I should have had
> the non-emergency police number on speed dial.
>
> >>> [log in to unmask] 04/29/02 10:26AM >>>
> not only is there a problem with the art work, there
> is an extreme liability
> if the skate board flys up and hits someone in the
> head hurting or killing
> one of your other patrons.
>
> you will have the time of your life when you are
> sued for 15 million for a
> death of an innocent bystander.
>
> don't coddle the little bastards!
>
> be more than firm.  NO SKATEBOARDS!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Problems with skateboarders on the
> museum property
>
>
> > Merri,
> >
> > Here, here!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > Timothy S. Bottoms
> > Museum Registrar
> > Cape Fear Museum
> > 814 Market Street
> > Wilmington, North Carolina  28401-4731
> > 910.341.4350 x 3011
> > 910.341.4037 (fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                     Merri Pemberton
> >                     <[log in to unmask]>
> To:
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> cc:     (bcc: archive)
> >                     <[log in to unmask]
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> >                     LSOFT.COM>
> skateboarders on the
> museum
> >
> property
> >
> >                     04/29/2002 09:09 AM
> >                     Please respond to
> >                     Museum discussion
> >                     list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have read some of the stories about the
> skateboarder problems. I
> > understand that these kids should have a place to
> skateboard, and that
> some
> > of the museum employees who wrote about this
> problem wanted to find a
> > peaceful solution, but shouldn't this problem be
> handled more firmly,
> > whereas you give fair warning to the skateboarders
> to not use the museum
> > facilities as a playground, and if you disregard
> this rule, you will have
> > to  face a punishment e.g. pay a fine, parents or
> children; or do
> community
> > service), and if that doesn't work, then maybe the
> authorities should talk
> > to the parents of these children.
> >
> >     A business, especially a museum with some of
> its artwork outside, must
> > be firm in dealing with these kids, and not have
> to cater to their every
> > whim - especially when not dealing with the
> educational purposes of the
> > museum. As a former teacher assistant and teacher,
> I know for a fact that
> > if us adults don't set boundaries, even to
> something like skateboarding on
> > the museum's grounds, then they won't learn to
> respect the museum as a
> > special place of education, not to be used as a
> stomping ground, or at
> > least not respect it as quickly.
> >
> >     Unfortanately, some of the children -not all
> of them- may not be
> > getting the discipline and boundaries that they
> need at home (another
> close
> > observation of a teacher/assistant teacher), so
> the rest of the adult
> > society have to sometimes bear the brunt. Well,  I
> must be going.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Merri
> >
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