I am not saying that presenting an issue is wrong, but if we take the
American Association of Museum's standards of Excellent in Equity, then we
need to present multiple sides of an issue.  It seemed to me that the writer
of the original e-mail was soap-boxing at best, or ranting at worst, about
his personal opinion on an issue.

Bryan

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Chadwick" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS


> This list is a self-moderated list. This means that those with an
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> As for the posting from [log in to unmask], I almost did not approve
> the message.  The only reason I approved the message is because we
> have subscribers from science museums -- and this is an issue that
> may someday be treated in such an environment. My personal opinion in
> this current social issue is irrelevant in light of open and honest
> that can and should be conducted in appropriate informal learning
> venues.
>
> If I had it to do over again, I may not have approved this particular
> message. However, in my judgement, the topic is relevant to museums,
> just as much as discussions we have had over censorship vs freedom of
> expression in art museums.  Even history museums are not immune from
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> John Chadwick
>
> At 12:49 PM -0600 11/27/01, Bryan P. T. Lean wrote:
> >I take it that this is an "unmoderated" list, otherwise the moderator
needs
> >to set some standards.  where is the relevancy to "museums" here?
> >
> >
> >Bryan P. T. Lean
> >Manager, Museum Operations
> >St. Louis County Historical Society
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> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Greenwich" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:50 PM
> >Subject: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
> >
> >
> >>  .       The science community, those interested in the right to
choice,
> >>  those wanting to see humane scientific progress, must restore to the
> >>  science community the right to make scientific definitions , and not
> >>  give it to religious fundamentalists. Religions defining scientific
> >>  organisms or defining anything in the sciences, through law, violates
> >>  Separation of Church and State.
> >>          It's based on a religious definition, adopted by the "dead or
> >>  alive" pro-death penalty President, that "human life (e.g., a baby)
> >>  begins at conception.
> >>          A six-cell embryo is hardly a "baby" or a "human being." It's
> >>  argued that an embryo is "potentially" a human being, therefore "human
> >>  life."
> >>          The same "potential" could be claimed for an egg or sperm or a
> >>  "gleam in the eye." It's literature, or poetry, and all fine, but it's
> >>  not science. It makes no more sense to claim this for a new embryo,
than
> >>  to say a woman's egg is a "baby;" or that a sperm is a "human life."
The
> >>  only difference is that intercourse (or another method) fertilized the
> >>  egg, making it an "embryo." This is the scientific definition of that
> >>  level of life.
> >>          That's why science called it an embryo, not a baby: Because it
> >>  is still scientifically *different* from a sentient, independent human
> >>  being. That is, until the religious right browbeat the defining of
> >>  scientific terms into law along its own biases.
> >>          Hypocrisy enters the fray when we hear Bush and others say,
> >>  "it's wrong to kill one innocent human being even if to save others
from
> >>  an evil disease." This, from the people who tell us we must accept
> >>  "collateral killing" of innocent people in the greater good of
stopping
> >>  evil.
> >>           The issue to re-fight now is again for Separation of Church
and
> >>  State, of Church and public, of Church and Science.
> >>          It's one thing to resist cloning human beings (or placing a
> >>  cloned embryo into a womb). This is not proposed.
> >>          The whole procedure takes place using one's own genetic
> >>  material, altered and returned, to heal a sick organ, spine, etc., and
> >  > should be a right of "choice" in the control of one's own body.
> >>          The only "ethic" here lies in the power struggle of zealots
> >>  further dictating to the state and to science.
> >>  Bob Fink
> >
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