I have a great idea. All those who wish to discuss stem cell research
must, before they can post to this list, send me a listing for an open
internship at their museum or gallery or ghost town or whatever. I know
you folks need some help--remember all those panting students who write
saying that they'll "do anything to get good museum experience." (OK, so
maybe no one has actually said that in so many words, but I bet they would if
you asked them).
Adrienne DeAngelis, Editrice
"Resources in Art History for Graduate Students"
(http://www.efn.org/~acd/resources.html)
P.S. I don't know what stem cells are and I do not wish to be enlightened.
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Indigo Nights wrote:
> May I suggest that any who have a sincere need to
> discuss this topic consider taking it to another forum
> targeted for such discussions. I have one you're
> welcome to join, but please understand that sentiments
> can run rather testy on this and other topics, and the
> target population is--IMHO--quite bright and
> politically savvy.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indecision2000
>
> There is a LOT of mail there as a general rule, often
> politically and/or disability based. It's probably a
> much better forum for such discussions, though by no
> means the only forum.
>
>
>
> --- "Wick, Charles Harrison" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > I agree, it sounds like some people just wanted to
> > vent their own political
> > agendas.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Les Reker
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: 11/27/2001 1:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
> >
> > My feeling exactly.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Museum discussion list
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > Behalf Of Redcliffe State Historic Site
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:20 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
> >
> >
> > What do this have to do with the museum
> > community or the purpose of
> > this
> > listserve?
> >
> >
> >
> > Casey Connell
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Barb Rexroat
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:36 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
> >
> >
> >
> > While you can split an atom, you can not
> > completely separate
> > church and state as long as church goers vote and
> > whether you think they
> > are
> > right, wrong or zealots, they vote for our
> > government representatives
> > who
> > make these difficult decisions. The government
> > doesn't always please
> > us,
> > that's for sure. It's very easy for you to
> > criticize the president when
> > you
> > are not the one trying to please the entire country.
> > Furthermore, you will NEVER convince me
> > that an embryo is
> > not
> > one of God's children. If scientists want me to
> > believe that because of
> > the
> > process of evolution man has not always looked the
> > way he does today,
> > why
> > can't I expect scientists to believe that an embryo
> > can be a human even
> > if
> > it doesn't look like we do.
> > It's very easy for you to say that
> > people who are against
> > cloning an embryo are zealots. You don't know me,
> > how can you label me?
> > I
> > would argue that scientists can be zealots for their
> > beliefs as well.
> > Just keep in mind that just because
> > someone disagrees with
> > you
> > doesn't mean they are "wrong" any more than you are
> > "right" or "wrong."
> > Religious people are not against science. Last time
> > I checked we all
> > had a
> > right to our opinion and many of us disagree with
> > embryo cloning. That
> > is
> > OK.
> > When it's all said and done, if I'm
> > wrong, so what; but if
> > scientists who disregard God's will are wrong, they
> > have one hell of a
> > price
> > to pay.
> > Barb
> > At 03:50 PM 11/26/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > >. The science community, those interested
> > in the right to
> > choice,
> > >those wanting to see humane scientific
> > progress, must restore to
> > the
> > >science community the right to make scientific
> > definitions , and
> > not
> > >give it to religious fundamentalists. Religions
> > defining scientific
> > >organisms or defining anything in the sciences,
> > through law,
> > violates
> > >Separation of Church and State.
> > > It's based on a religious definition,
> > adopted by the "dead
> > or
> > >alive" pro-death penalty President, that "human
> > life (e.g., a baby)
> > >begins at conception.
> > > A six-cell embryo is hardly a "baby" or
> > a "human being."
> > It's
> > >argued that an embryo is "potentially" a human
> > being, therefore
> > "human
> > >life."
> > > The same "potential" could be claimed
> > for an egg or sperm
> > or a
> > >"gleam in the eye." It's literature, or poetry,
> > and all fine, but
> > it's
> > >not science. It makes no more sense to claim
> > this for a new embryo,
> > than
> > >to say a woman's egg is a "baby;" or that a
> > sperm is a "human
> > life."
> > The
> > >only difference is that intercourse (or another
> > method) fertilized
> > the
> > >egg, making it an "embryo." This is the
> > scientific definition of
> > that
> > >level of life.
> > > That's why science called it an embryo,
> > not a baby: Because
> > it
> > >is still scientifically *different* from a
> > sentient, independent
> > human
> > >being. That is, until the religious right
> > browbeat the defining of
> > >scientific terms into law along its own biases.
> > > Hypocrisy enters the fray when we hear
> > Bush and others say,
> > >"it's wrong to kill one innocent human being
> > even if to save others
> > from
> > >an evil disease." This, from the people who
> > tell us we must accept
> > >"collateral killing" of innocent people in the
> > greater good of
> > stopping
> > >evil.
> > > The issue to re-fight now is again for
> > Separation of
> > Church
> > and
> > >State, of Church and public, of Church and
> > Science.
> > > It's one thing to resist cloning human
> > beings (or placing a
> > >cloned embryo into a womb). This is not
> > proposed.
> > > The whole procedure takes place using
> > one's own genetic
> > >material, altered and returned, to heal a sick
> > organ, spine, etc.,
> > and
> > >should be a right of "choice" in the control of
> > one's own body.
> > > The only "ethic" here lies in the power
> > struggle of zealots
> > >further dictating to the state and to science.
> > >Bob Fink
> > >
> >
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