thanks for all that, Marc. A lot to consider.

Kathie Gow

Curator, Hatfield Historical Museum     hatfieldhistory.weebly.com

Oral History Producer     wordspicturesstories.com


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:31 PM Marc A Williams <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Kathie,
>
> I probably would order your list as follows.
>
> 1) No UV - that should be the case for LEDs, but some have had UV in the
> past when tested.
> 2) Intensity (lux or foot-candles) that is below recommended levels for
> objects exhibited.  This requires actually holding the fixture in place and
> using a light meter placed at the object of most concern.  Inexpensive
> (less than $20) acceptable accuracy meters are available (or at least were
> when I tested them roughly 3-4 years ago and discussed this on MuseumL) if
> you do not have one.  You are not interested in the total light output,
> which generally is listed on the package in lumens, but the actual amount
> falling on the objects, which must be measured with the light unit in place.
> 3) Color temperature.  I would suggest you at least try 3500K compared to
> 3000K, which I'm concerned will be too orange.  Once again, hold units in
> place and make observations/decisions.  Do not have them installed first.
> 4) CRI ideally of 95+ but if necessary as low as 90.  This is last as it
> probably will be the hardest to satisfy.  Maybe I will be pleasantly
> surprised?
>
> I would not necessarily expect the electrician firm to know the
> specifications of the lamps, but you may get lucky.  They are going to to
> have to ask their supplier, and probably they will have to ask the
> manufacturer.  You could get the manufacturer and model number and go
> directly to the manufacturer yourself.  This might be the most efficient
> method.
>
> The other possible complication is being able to have units of different
> color temperature (hopefully by the same manufacturer so apples can be
> compared to apples) that you can "install" by holding in place to judge
> appearance and measure intensity.  Hopefully you will have an electrician
> that is friendly and helpful.  Some may not want to open packages or take
> the time to do this.  Changing the intensity if it is too high will require
> either moving the light source further away from the objects, using less
> LED lamps in the fixture, or decreasing the output of the lamps.  You may
> not have a lot of flexibility in this and may have to get creative.  Please
> let me know if you have any additional questions.
>
> Marc
>
> *From:* Kathie Gow <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 25, 2019 12:02 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [MUSEUM-L] best color temperature for new LED lights?
>
> Thanks Elizabeth and Marc. Marc, I hoped you'd respond, because I know you
> know a lot about this stuff, but wow, that is a lot to consider!
>
> I will take that info to the electrician firm we are dealing with, but
> since the town is paying for this replacement from a local firm, our
> options may not be as wide as all that. From your thoughtful reply, I am
> taking away we should try to get the following conditions met, in this
> order?
>
> --no UV light  (I'd thought this was the case for all LEDs!)
> --high CRI number (like, MR-16, with 96 or higher), which addresses color
> accuracy
> --color temp that feels natural for our setting -- there's a wide variety
> in museum settings and we think a warmer light will best fit ours (so maybe
> we go for around 3000K...)
>
> Again, no idea how much choice we will actually have with regard to CRI,
> for instance, but now I can ask for what we want and see what's available
> at what price.
>
> If anyone else has experience purchasing recent LED fixtures for their
> museum space with additional input, would love to hear it.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --Kathie
>
> Kathie Gow
>
> Curator, Hatfield Historical Museum     hatfieldhistory.weebly.com
>
> Oral History Producer     wordspicturesstories.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:22 AM Marc A Williams <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Kathie,
>>
>> Your question actually has more facets than just color temperature.  A
>> color temperature of 2700K is on the very warm (yellow/orange) side,
>> somewhat equivalent to sunlight at sunrise or sunset.  "True" daylight is
>> considered to be around 5500K, which is definitely on the cooler or bluer
>> side, somewhat equivalent to sunlight at high noon.  Perhaps more important
>> than color temperature is CRI, or color rendering index.  This is how
>> closely a light source replicates sunlight at that color temperature.
>> Ideally, you want a CRI very near 100, which would indicate it replicates
>> it almost perfectly.  Incandescent lamps (the correct term according to the
>> industry for a light source, rather than bulbs) commonly used for lighting
>> museums (the MR-16, for example) are available in CRI of 96+.  A lamp with
>> a CRI of 80 would be considered woefully inadequate.
>>
>> So, the first thing to ask the manufacturer of the lamp (not the vendor)
>> is what is the CRI?  Ideally, they also can provide you with a spectral
>> curve of the lamp.  This shows the light emitted at each wavelength,
>> ideally compared to natural sunlight.  It also will show if there is any UV
>> light present, which there should not be - if there is, that is not the
>> lamp you want.  LEDs have progressed a lot in the last few years, and
>> technically, it should be possible to fine-tune them to be near 100 CRI.
>> Whether specific manufacturers have done this is something you will have to
>> ascertain.  Due to the progression in technology, advice from 2012 such as
>> the Getty publication may no longer be relevant.  For your application,
>> just buying an off-the-shelf fixture made for the general public probably
>> will not be ideal.  You should look for ones that promote their color
>> accuracy on their packages and in their literature.  If they are simply
>> promoting energy savings and long life, they probably have poor CRIs.  But
>> this can only be determined with CRI ratings and spectral curves from the
>> lamp manufacturers.  Complicating this further is the fact that the
>> manufacturer of the fixture may or may not be the manufacturer of the LED
>> lamps in the fixture.  So some sleuthing may be necessary
>>
>> To answer your question about what color temperature would look best
>> (assuming you have found high CRI lamps), the best information I am aware
>> of about that was testing done with high CRI MR-16 lamps in an actual
>> museum setting.  Regular visitors were asked to look at objects illuminated
>> with different color temperatures between about 2700K and 5500K.  They were
>> asked to indicate which lamp produced the most "natural" colors.  Thus,
>> this was clearly subjective, but also real-world  for museum viewing.  The
>> color temperature that was found the most natural was 3500K.  It can be
>> assumed that this would translate to LEDs that also are of high CRIs.
>>
>> Many other factors influence perceived color, including the color
>> temperature and CRI of nearby lighting.  A 3500K display case in a room
>> filled with 5500K overall lighting may appear too yellow/orange, for
>> example.  Also remember that light intensity on the objects in the case is
>> important even if it is LED lighting.  Select fixtures or combinations of
>> lamps that keeps the light levels in the desired range for the types of
>> objects within the case.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> American Conservation Consortium, Ltd.
>>      4 Rockville Road
>>      Broad Brook, CT 06016
>>      [log in to unmask]
>>
>> *From:* Kathie Gow <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:48 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* [MUSEUM-L] best color temperature for new LED lights?
>>
>> Hi Listers. We are replacing our 8-foot-long fluorescent tube light
>> fixtures in two large display cases (due to a smelly blown-out ballast!),
>> with new LED fixtures, and I need to decide the color temp of the new
>> lights. I am thinking we want warm light, but something that will still
>> show whites as white. Would 2700K do the trick?
>>
>> (We are a small historical society museum with lots of oak and other wood
>> cases, whitish walls (that are mostly covered) and some exterior LED
>> fixtures that have cooler light...
>>
>> Happy for all LED lighting tips and things you've learned!
>>
>> best,
>> --Kathie
>>
>>
>> Kathie Gow
>>
>> Curator, Hatfield Historical Museum     hatfieldhistory.weebly.com
>>
>> Oral History Producer     wordspicturesstories.com
>>
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