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Hello!

I have been reading this discussion with much interest, for three reasons.
First, I am one of those 'young professionals' -- I'm 28 and work for the
Cdn Museums Association as editor of our publication MUSE and am responsible
for much of our communications. Second, it seemed to me (though apologies if
I'm wrong on this) that there weren't any of 'us' involved in this
discussion. And third, there are a number of 'us' in our offices, and we
have been discussing getting some sort of young professionals committee up
and running for Canada. A lot of our initial discussion has centred around
the issue of defining what qualifies as a 'young professional' and we
struggled with all the same issues that have come up here.

Our conclusion was that 'young professional'  was a good place to start (and
Claudia Polley nicely clarified the distinction between this and student in
her post). However, in the end, we felt it was better to move to 'new
professionals' to include those coming into the field who have many of the
same issues that us 'young professionals' face. We also felt that it wasn't
constructive to bother with defining an age range.

Just thought you'd be interested to know how a group of 'us' feels about
this in Canada. So what next? How do we move this forward?

Naomi



Naomi Grattan
Director of Communications/Directrice des communications
Canadian Museums Association/Association des musees canadiens
Tel./Tel.: (613) 567-0099 x223; Fax/Telec.: (613) 233-5438
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From: International Council of Museums Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Claudia Polley
Sent: August 10, 2005 9:19 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Youth Groups etc



All,

So many good ideas are voiced here it's daunting to add anything.   However,
I think a critical clarification should be made.  In Mario's  initial email
he
refers to young people as "youth", which then was  re-interpreted by several
respondents as "students".  And then a couple of  wiser heads used the term
"young professionals".  I believe we must have  some good definition of this
group we all know ICOM is leaving out of its  communications and activity
loop.
To my way of thinking "young  professionals" is the intent if not the exact
description necessary.

Perhaps wiser heads with a greater grasp of language could assist  here.  We
are not talking about student involvement for the most part  here...that is
already addressed by many national committees whether well done  or not.  We
need to act to have our younger colleagues become excited and  involved in
this
organization that purports to serve the world.  As Per  Rekdal says, those
active in ICOM are greying a bit (if not a lot like myself),  and our future
depends on those who will actively shape this organization for  today and
the
future...not the past.

So, let's get on with it.  The technology exists where we all talk to  one
another via Skype and other internet-based communications.  Visual and
audio
links are easy to be had.  And information is the key here, as Ms.  Cockett
so
rightfully points out.  Even some of us elders want more direct  information
and involvement.  Why not find a way to make it so?

It's time.

Claudia Polley
Arts Associates LLC
Washington DC & Caino, Italy


In a message dated 8/10/2005 9:04:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Hi,

I've only recently joined this list, I joined ICOM/ICOM-UK  last year and
have some thoughts regarding this issue. I feel the main  issues (for me at
least) has been around poor communication/marketing of  ICOM itself and its
events. I haven't been to any ICOM events even though I  am an active member
of a number of UK-based museums organisations, and my  workplace will
support national travel to events (though rarely  international).

I joined two committees when I signed up to ICOM but  no-one has ever
communicated to me what I need to do to be active on  them.

I think that the ICOM magazines are visually quite dull, mainly  black and
white (maybe with a single colour), the ICOM news has an  incredibly small
typeface making it difficult to read (I have no visual  impairment). There
are no other mailings or extra information included with  them. They do not
make me want to read them.

I just looked through  my last ICOM-UK magazine and there is nothing about
up-and-coming events.  Details of the meetings listed in ICOM news are very
brief, just the  title/theme but no further information - obviously we can
email to find out  but the communication is bad as nothing grabs you and
makes you think 'oh,  that sounds interesting' etc.

The websites of ICOM and ICOM-UK are not  up to the visual quality or
intuitive accessible structure of other  organisations - the new ICOM
website does look like it might be a very  significant improvement visually
and structurally this may help. The events  page of ICOM-UK currently lists
events from 2003, the calendar page of ICOM  does not make it immediately
clear what each event.

I use the  websites/magazines of a number of Museum organisations regularly
to find  out all sorts of information. I think the main issue is that when
compared  to other organisations (in the UK - Museums Association,  Museum
Documentation Association,  Regional MLA's etc...) ICOM simply  does not
compete well in the fields of communication or marketing.  I  always seem to
know, with minimal effort what the UK organisations are up  to (via emails,
websites, publications sent to me at home, and to my  workplace) and I have
gone to meetings, taken part in panels/committees  etc. I feel I learn more
about what is going on internationally in museums  from UK Museums
publications and UK newspapers.

I also wonder about  your definition of 'youth' as under 40? I'm 30 and I
don't think I am young  any more, certainly too old to join anything
labelled 'youth-organisation'.  To me (and marketing organisations) the
youth age group is  16-25.

Aside from the free entry to every museum I have tried using it  in - a very
considerable benefit I admit - I have felt that ICOM has not  added anything
to my knowledge of museums/ the museum world. I hope this  can change.

Rachel Cockett
Birmingham,  UK



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